Comments on: A Turd in the Missile Silo: Final Thoughts on the Writings of Cho Seung-Hui http://www.boyswearpants.com/2007/04/a-turd-in-the-missile-silo-final-thoughts-on-the-writings-of-cho-seung-hui/ Good Writing. Good Thinking. Good Times. Mon, 04 May 2009 05:01:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Shinichi Evans http://www.boyswearpants.com/2007/04/a-turd-in-the-missile-silo-final-thoughts-on-the-writings-of-cho-seung-hui/#comment-601 Shinichi Evans Sat, 21 Apr 2007 00:44:29 +0000 http://www.boyswearpants.com/?p=550#comment-601 Fantastic Bastard, I appreciate your insight a great deal here. While I may not like the existence of <i>Mein Kampf</i>, <i>Turner Diaries</i>, <i>Unabomber Manifesto</i>, and other works that are by people who commit or perpetrate hate and violence, I would never advocate them being censored or burnt. I understand that they need to be examined, as they shed some light on what needs to be addressed in our society (and hopefully, the answer is beyond the author's intention). There are morons who use these works to continue fueling their hate (which is what these authors want), and that's the part that frightens me. As distasteful as I find these works, hopefully there is something that can be redeemed from them to help us move on. Fantastic Bastard, I appreciate your insight a great deal here. While I may not like the existence of Mein Kampf, Turner Diaries, Unabomber Manifesto, and other works that are by people who commit or perpetrate hate and violence, I would never advocate them being censored or burnt. I understand that they need to be examined, as they shed some light on what needs to be addressed in our society (and hopefully, the answer is beyond the author’s intention). There are morons who use these works to continue fueling their hate (which is what these authors want), and that’s the part that frightens me. As distasteful as I find these works, hopefully there is something that can be redeemed from them to help us move on.

]]> By: Fantastic Bastard http://www.boyswearpants.com/2007/04/a-turd-in-the-missile-silo-final-thoughts-on-the-writings-of-cho-seung-hui/#comment-600 Fantastic Bastard Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:37:12 +0000 http://www.boyswearpants.com/?p=550#comment-600 I'm going to disagree with the concept of blotting out the guy's work. I think it should be available to people, if they desire. The thing is, I wish people wouldn't want to analyze it. This guy took the easy way out. He basically quit. He didn't have the balls to deal with the hard parts of life. And not only was he so much of a bitch that he couldn't take it, he had to be such a whiney asshole that he took people out with him. It's the adult, ultra-violent equivalent of a 3 year old throwing a tantrum and saying if I'm going to hurt (because I can't get what I want) I'm going to make you hurt too (by hitting you). Fuck him. We'd be better if we never mentioned him again, as Infidel mentioned. We should be celebrating those that were needlessly taken by said dipshit. Suicide is the ultimate selfish act and nothing in life is bad enough to merit it. He thought he was a martyr; he's nothing more than a baby. We should be focusing on the 32 victims, not the one fortunate casualty. And Shinichi, don't badmouth Mein Kampf. I don't agree with it's position at all but it was an influential piece of literature, to say the least. To burn the book, so to say, takes you to the exact level and tactic as those that you're ripping in your comparison. Even though he was one crazy fucker, Hitler was still a very influential person in history and he should not be erased from history, or we may be doomed to repeat it. As for the the shooter's work, like with so many things out there, just because it's available doesn’t mean it should be given merit and explored. Every now and again, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's still just a piece of shit. I’m going to disagree with the concept of blotting out the guy’s work. I think it should be available to people, if they desire. The thing is, I wish people wouldn’t want to analyze it. This guy took the easy way out. He basically quit. He didn’t have the balls to deal with the hard parts of life. And not only was he so much of a bitch that he couldn’t take it, he had to be such a whiney asshole that he took people out with him. It’s the adult, ultra-violent equivalent of a 3 year old throwing a tantrum and saying if I’m going to hurt (because I can’t get what I want) I’m going to make you hurt too (by hitting you). Fuck him. We’d be better if we never mentioned him again, as Infidel mentioned. We should be celebrating those that were needlessly taken by said dipshit. Suicide is the ultimate selfish act and nothing in life is bad enough to merit it. He thought he was a martyr; he’s nothing more than a baby. We should be focusing on the 32 victims, not the one fortunate casualty.

And Shinichi, don’t badmouth Mein Kampf. I don’t agree with it’s position at all but it was an influential piece of literature, to say the least. To burn the book, so to say, takes you to the exact level and tactic as those that you’re ripping in your comparison. Even though he was one crazy fucker, Hitler was still a very influential person in history and he should not be erased from history, or we may be doomed to repeat it. As for the the shooter’s work, like with so many things out there, just because it’s available doesn’t mean it should be given merit and explored. Every now and again, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it’s still just a piece of shit.

]]> By: Shinichi Evans http://www.boyswearpants.com/2007/04/a-turd-in-the-missile-silo-final-thoughts-on-the-writings-of-cho-seung-hui/#comment-599 Shinichi Evans Fri, 20 Apr 2007 06:41:29 +0000 http://www.boyswearpants.com/?p=550#comment-599 It's the same kind of fascination that gets a god-awful text like <i>Mein Kampf</i> printed. The literary value is low, but Random House did make a decision to publish it here for controversy, history, or whatever. I'm surprised the <i>Turner Diaries</i> even got printed with an ISBN number. While the author of this poisonous text may have not been a murderer, one of his avid readers was Timothy McVeigh, the infamous bomber in Oklahoma. I read the plays on AOL. Not the most violent texts I've ever read (the university press journal I worked for in grad school printed some gorier and highly disturbing fare at times), but the anger was there. It was a very potent, though not coherent, rage. I hope the mail document doesn't get put in print. Trees do not need to be wasted on it. It’s the same kind of fascination that gets a god-awful text like Mein Kampf printed. The literary value is low, but Random House did make a decision to publish it here for controversy, history, or whatever. I’m surprised the Turner Diaries even got printed with an ISBN number. While the author of this poisonous text may have not been a murderer, one of his avid readers was Timothy McVeigh, the infamous bomber in Oklahoma. I read the plays on AOL. Not the most violent texts I’ve ever read (the university press journal I worked for in grad school printed some gorier and highly disturbing fare at times), but the anger was there. It was a very potent, though not coherent, rage. I hope the mail document doesn’t get put in print. Trees do not need to be wasted on it.

]]> By: Infidel753 http://www.boyswearpants.com/2007/04/a-turd-in-the-missile-silo-final-thoughts-on-the-writings-of-cho-seung-hui/#comment-598 Infidel753 Fri, 20 Apr 2007 04:15:53 +0000 http://www.boyswearpants.com/?p=550#comment-598 Exactly so. I'm nauseated by our habit of making quasi-celebrities out of mass murderers. This may be apocryphal, but there's a story that in ancient Athens, a certain man murdered a prominent citizen purely because he wanted his name to be remembered forever, and believed that he could guarantee that it <i>would</i> be, by committing such a high-profile crime. As part of his punishment, the people of Athens agreed among themselves that they would never mention his name again or write it down anywhere, so that it would be forgotten. We could learn something from them. Exactly so. I’m nauseated by our habit of making quasi-celebrities out of mass murderers.

This may be apocryphal, but there’s a story that in ancient Athens, a certain man murdered a prominent citizen purely because he wanted his name to be remembered forever, and believed that he could guarantee that it would be, by committing such a high-profile crime. As part of his punishment, the people of Athens agreed among themselves that they would never mention his name again or write it down anywhere, so that it would be forgotten.

We could learn something from them.

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